After yesterday’s rant about blazers that fit big busts in front, I had a bit of a wakeup call while writing today’s Campbell & Kate blog post. There I extol the virtues of narrow sleeves and high armholes because they keep us from looking like we’re all bust, and they increase our freedom of movement. Even though the photos below from The Houndstooth Kid are of a man’s jacket, they demonstrate this well. Imagine the photo on the left with large boobs, and you get a pretty good idea of how low, wide armholes–that allow fabric from the sleeves to stretch across the bust– are used to compensate for inadequate fabric at the bust.
This quote from his blog also does a good job of explaining things:
Today practically no off-the-rack suits and very few custom jackets are made with high armholes. Perhaps this is due to the ease [with which] low armholed jackets slip on and off (high armholed jackets are a bit more difficult, usually one arm at a time). Yet jackets are meant to be worn and if a jacket is uncomfortable or badly made (low armholes are a bad design) I do not want to wear it. I take it off. At least that part is easy thanks to the low armholes…
Last year, an image consultant told me that she has clients who flail their arms about to show how difficult it is to move and how stiff they feel in the jackets she puts them in. Her answer? She tells them that they’re not supposed to be comfortable in jackets!
Sadly, she’s both wrong and right. She’s wrong because in a perfectly fitting jacket, you would move so freely that you would have no qualms about keeping one on all day as you sat in front of your computer. She’s right because most of us are unwilling to spend the money that such a perfectly fitting jacket would require. As I mentioned yesterday, even alterations are expensive. With so many business casual dress codes, the cost per wear of such a garment becomes pretty high (although the likelihood of wearing it increases with the fit!).
Now here’s the wakeup call I received while writing today’s Campbell & Kate post: If we could afford custom-made blazers with high, narrow armholes, we’d discover how low and wide the armholes are on almost anything we’d want to wear beneath them! The fabric bunching beneath our armpits would make this very clear. Suddenly off-the-rack tops and dresses wouldn’t be good enough for us. We’d want to have everything altered or custom-made. Such a dilemma.
I’ve mentioned before that we have to pick our battles. Even though it’s sacrilege to say, sometimes “good enough” will have to do. The challenge is figuring out when that is. Maybe as I continue to come up with the wardrobe list that I wrote about earlier this month, I’ll discover when that is for me. What about you?
Finally, to inspire us all to continue to care about little details like these, I leave you with these photos of sleeve alterations made by Extra Petite.
Thank you very much, I often alter sleeves in dress, it is generally fairly safe to do and , as the seams are under the arm , usually invisible except for improved fit.
Most jackets and indeed , most sleeved garments are made with two-part sleeves and actually limit movement.but three part sleeves are narrower and more comfortable and fit in a high armscye, thus looking and feeling better
JBear, are most shirt sleeves single part? Because somewhere I read that two-part sleeves are better, but I wonder if that was being compared against single parts. Now I’m definitely going to be on the lookout for 3-part sleeves. Why do they provide more flexibility? Because the sleeve can be shaped more?
I find the discussion interesting but I guess I’m more of one of the people who need the wider arms. However, I do think you’re correct in that the higher armholes work better on larger busts ESPECIALLY when it comes to sleeveless shirts (I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve bemoan dresses that showed way too much of my bra because the bust area was too small and the arm holes too large).
I know you haven’t tried much of the BiuBiu clothes yet but I think you’d be even happier with the shirts because they definitely do have the higher, narrower armholes. I’m definitely fine with the higher part, but the narrower part really gives me problems because I do have larger arms (at least proportionally to my body). I wish alterations were more common because I think the easiest approach as a designer would be to put the higher arm holes with sleeves that aren’t quite so narrow that could then be altered down to the wearers arm size. Even as some one with larger arms I’ve never noticed problems around the armpit area, but rather always in the mid part of my upper arm (short sleeves and 3/4 length seems to always end in the wrong spot!).
Shoulders are another issue too, ugh! It’s funny, as I approach my goal weight, I’ve noticed more and more new fit issues that were not as prevalent as before. I think with the extra weight my proportions weren’t quite as extreme so I could fit into standard clothes more easily. Now it’s a struggle to fit my arms/shoulders and bust while finding something that is small enough (or can be altered down enough) to fit my underbust and waist!
June, while I was googling this topic, I came up with a forum that discusses women’s bodybuilding issues and guess what? They can’t find anything either!
I have the same problem June! The Biubiu shirts are sometimes a little too tight around the middle of my upper arm. I think this is just a result of my build – I’ve had the same problem throughout the past ten years, at a variety of different weights.
Weight gain/loss aside, the more I learn about and experience proper fit, the pickier I become… I’ve definitely become that way with bras. When I was young, I was happy to find anything at a US store that contained my breasts. Now I can’t even stand lounging in my apartment wearing a bra band that is slightly too big… Once you’ve experienced proper fit, there’s no going back!
Anna, I’ve become the same way at home. Just working or lounging at home in a bad bra puts me in a bad mood now.
that is so true about the bunching under jackets. For that reason, I always wear sleeveless tops under jackets, but jackets that fit everywhere are few and far between. I’ve been guilty of buying jackets that I can’t button and just wear the open…
Ha ha. The open jackets are what made me put the half-opened shutters example in my last post. I do that ALL the time.