My first trip to Curvexpo was pretty good. Most of the brands were only too happy to chat with the press (Claudette, Curvy Kate, and Le Mystere especially), though some were less than friendly. Panache USA was oddly eager to get rid of me even though there were three reps sitting at the booth doing absolutely nothing. In Part 1 of this post, I’m going to focus on trends I gleaned from the show; in Part 2, I answer some of the specific questions we received in the comments here on Hourglassy. There’s even a Part 3 for a blast of an attitude that will—hopefully—soon be far in the past.
Part 1: Trends for D+ and -28
First off, I was shocked by the number of manufacturers whose bras go up to an F or G cup. I was expecting to find only the usual suspects offering anything above D, but I was pleasantly surprised! Though F and G really aren’t that big a cup size in the grand scheme of things (especially when you’re talking sub-36 bands), it tells me
- manufacturers are finally recognizing that the alphabet does not stop at D (or DDD),
- that those letters are not set in stone (but rather, are contingent upon the band number), and
- that sizes beyond D are something that consumers are making clear they want to buy.
Likewise, I was also pleasantly surprised by how many brands offer 30 bands, or are at least testing it out with one or two models. We’re still a long way away from regular 28 bands, much less 26 or 24, but even an increase in 30 bands proves that manufacturers are finally recognizing the need for an expanded size range.
In fact, while some manufacturers told me they have never received feedback from customers or retailers asking for smaller bands (a Betsey Johnson intimates rep said there are no plans to expand the size range because “the ones we have work so well†[that would be 32+ and no bigger than DDD]), there are store owners who are in tune with their customers and are paying attention. At the Bra La Mode inaugural Intimate Affair on January 29, for example, Bra*Tenders owner Alan Kaplan commented on the large number of women with 28 backs that they fit. And at Curve, one highly respected Manhattan storeowner told Darlene, “Whenever I see 28’s, I buy them. It is the most underserved market.
This is a long and photo-heavy post, so click below to read the rest…
Here are the brands I discovered that offer sub-32 bands and/or DDD+ cups:
Sub-32 & DDD+
Mimi Holliday 28-40 AA-GG. Features fabulous bright colors and delicate lace.
Addiction Nouvelle Lingerie 30-42 A-F. Simple, elegant design. I loved this royal blue bra.
Valery 30-40 A-E. Really stunning, boudoir-style intimates with a distinctly retro feel.
Being U 28-46 D-H. Nude bras for women of color, plus some nice brights with an awesome photorealistic feather print. Read more below.
Next season’s new feather colorway. Loooooove it!
[un: usual] 30-44 B-H. A German brand with cute basics that have great sophisticated details. Check out the feather in the gore on this one.
Le Mystere 30-44 A-H. Limited 30s. Basic bras with really special details. They had an amazing low-backed bustier-style strapless (the Soiree). Would be so perfect for backless dresses. But starts at a 32 band, sadly (goes up to a G cup, though!).
Love love love the lace back! This one has a front closure.
Prima Donna and Marie Jo 30+ and up to G. They wouldn’t let me photograph anything.
Undressed by Marlies Dekkers 30+ and up to F. These were fabulous. Such interesting design and bright colors. Unfortunately, only one bra goes down to 30 and it comes in black and tan only. But if the 30 sells well enough, they’ll start offering more. Buy buy buy!
So many colors and interesting strap decorations!
Why why why can’t these come in smaller bands???
The singular 30 band. BORING! Even their maternity bra was more interesting than this. It was black, but it had the fun straps criss-crossing over the cleavage.
Anita Active 30-40 B-H. Cute sports bras. The one on the mannequin really caught my eye, but it only starts at 32. One model comes in 30, and the rep I spoke with said the brand is “trending more and more to 30 bands.”
The 30 band. At least it’s silver and not boring black!
Kris Line 28-50 A-N. Best find of the day! Read more below.
True Intimates 32-40 AA-F. Nudes in six shades and lots of different styles. Read more below.
Blush 32-38 A-F. They had a display of beautiful jewel green bras with black lace overlay (sorry, no photos).
Piege 32-38 A-G. French lingerie (sorry, no photos).
The biggest takeaway that I got from the show was that customers make the biggest difference. The more we request expanded sizes, the more they become available. The best thing you can possibly do is to request your size?—over and over. Whether that’s in-store or through an email sent directly to a manufacturer, the more you request it, the more likely it is that you’ll see it on store shelves. I left the show with a whole list of brands that I want to contact to tell them that I love their designs, but wish they came in more sizes so I could wear them.
Part 2: Questions from Readers about Sub-32 Maternity Bands and Nude Diversity
As for the questions we received in our comments, the two that stood out most to me regarded maternity bras in sub-32 bands and “nude†bras in anything other than light beige and ivory.
I didn’t have that much luck with maternity bras. While the manufacturers I spoke with had cup ranges that went as high as I, the bands all started at 32. However, Kris Line, with which I was only just barely familiar prior to Curvexpo, had the best, best, best maternity options. Almost all the Kris bras start at a 28 band, with some going up to 50; and cups start at A and go up to N (in some styles). What a range! Their designs were very pretty, and not at all matronly even in the larger cups sizes (you can see the collections at krisline.com). As for the maternity bras, they simply took some of the more utilitarian models such as the Brilliant and the Fortuna, and gave them opening panels for breast-feeding?—in the same sizes as the non-maternity version. A line of maternity bras in the same sizes as the regular bras? What a concept!
I was slightly more successful in my search for non-beige bras, finding two companies devoted to nothing but darker nudes.
True Intimates was a bit limited in sizes (32-40 AA-F), but they told me if a retailer asked for a 30 or 28 band, and wanted to order enough of them, it could be accommodated. There are six colors ranging from ivory to dark chocolate, and they name each color after a type of tree (clever!). Plus there are seven different bra styles and six different panties. It’s a truly versatile line.
The other non-beige brand was Being U. This brand had the best catalog/press kit out of all the booths I visited! It included a little booklet with two levels; the top level is the bra colors and the bottom skin colors. You can turn the pages of both levels to compare fabric to skin to see how the fabric would look against your own coloring. So clever!
The line is geared toward black women, a demographic too often neglected in the lingerie industry. They offer five shades that complement a range of darker skin tones, plus some snazzy, photorealistic feather prints, in four bra styles. The color names are kind of awkward and non-descriptive, though (yam, Sudan, and saffron? Not exactly a consistent theme…). They also offer matching panties, and pajamas and silk kimono robes.
Part 3: Some Things Haven’t Changed . . . Yet
As for those companies that were less than enthusiastic, one in particular (which shall remain nameless) was so incredibly rude and uninformed that it was comical. Not only did she insist that I’m actually a C or D cup (ha!), but she also claimed that F cups are the size of beach balls, then didn’t believe me when I said an F with a 34 band is not the same as an F with a 28 band. It’s very frustrating when even manufacturers don’t know the facts. Oh, and at one point she stated, “I make bras, you just write about them” (rude!), then within 30 seconds made another comment about me “not wearing a bra 10 years ago” (um, I’m pretty sure I was wearing a bra at age 17; this was obviously a none-too-subtle jab at what she perceived to be my young age). Ouch! But happily, these kinds of people are the exception, not the rule; and as American consumers better understand bra sizing, brands that refuse to cater to more than 32-38 A-D will simply go out of business.
Coming Up
Check back next Friday for some of the exciting new items I found for the upcoming seasons, plus updates on familiar brands like Curvy Kate, Parfait by Affinitas, Claudette, Eveden, and others. Lastly, on an unrelated note, I’ll be tweeting the Oscars red carpet coverage this Sunday?—with a focus on boobs of course! Will we see breasts squished to high heaven a la Christina Hendricks, or perfectly supported like Scarlett Johansson’s 2006 Golden Globes red sheath with the built-in bra? I’ll be tagging #Hourglassy in all the posts. Follow my thoughts on @twingomatic!
What a great informative post 🙂 I utterly adore the Kris Line Sports bra and I dare to hope that I might find one to fit me! Do you know when this item will be available? And I could not believe it when I read about that awful rude person – how dare she! What hope do we have when even the manufacturers don’t understand how sizing works. Keep up your hard work – I love your blog! xx
No, the sports bras pictured are both made by Anita Active. Sorry if it’s unclear…all the photos match the brand listed just ABOVE. But yeah, I want that periwinkle sports bra so bad!
Oh man, there’s just too much in this post to probably comment on it all, but that doesn’t mean I won’t try!
– Kris Line carries 28 backs too!?!? I didn’t know. I’ve seen it over on Brastop but it was only in 30 backs or more. Now I’m REALLY interested. Also, do some of the maternity bras come in soft cups? I’ve been looking for a sleep bra forever and this really might be the perfect solution. I’m in heaven. 😀
– Mimi Holliday looks like a brand I might have to keep on my radar. Those bras are gorgeous and if I’m lucky enough to go down a cup size or two they might actually fit! Any word on the best place to buy them?
– [un: usual] I’ve never heard of them before but I wonder how tight their bands are? Might be something to try if we have a chance to go to Germany anytime soon.
– Being U also looks like a brand to watch for!
– Before, I forget, are these UK or US cup sizes?
I can’t wait to see the rest of these updates!
1. I didn’t get a look at ALL the Kris maternity bras, so I’m not sure. But all their designs are listed on KrisLine.com.
2. Mimi Holliday can actually be purchased directly from the manufacturer at damaris.co.uk. Also on net-a-porter.com, and I think in upscale lingerie stores as well.
3. [un: usual] is not yet available in stores according to their website. But you can sign up for their newsletter or check out their Facebook page to be kept up to date. The site is un-usual.com.
5. Oh darn, I totally forgot about US vs. UK sizes! I honestly don’t know. Try this chart on HerRoom to compare: http://www.herroom.com/plus-size-bra-cup-size-cross-reference,949,30.html.
@ June
un:usual are a daughter company of Felina catering to a younger public.
Seems they have rather wide bands though, so I don’t know whether they would fit, June 🙁 (busenfreundinnen knowledge, they tried a couple of bras on 😉 )
And they do produce B-H Cup european sizing, so that’s about B-FF cup UK sizing.
Oh too bad that they’re US sizes. I was really excited to hear that some of them went up to H cups. Guess like there’s no chance any of them will fit me… and with loose bands they’re definitely out!
One more thing… any clue on how to use the Kris Line website? If I go to the English version it asks for me to register but the registration form seems like it’s for businesses, not for a regular person who just wants to shop online?
Yeah, if you switch to English they force you to make an account just to browse, but if you stay in Polish you can browse without an account. I have no idea why!
Thanks. I tried it in Polish but I was hoping to see if their maternity bras were soft cup or not and I couldn’t see anywhere that it was listed (although I thought too that maybe it was because of my lack of knowledge in Polish that I wasn’t finding the info? 😉 ).
Just don’t be misled by KrisLines sometimes very overdone Modelmakeup stuff. The bras are really well done and they fit great on bigger cups 🙂 They use very tight bands (true sizing) and english cup sizing.
They work best on rather firm and round breasts which don’t lack volume on the top.
xoxo denocte
I’m a bit confused on their band sizes. Would their 65 band fit similar to an Ewa Michalak 65 band?
Hmm… I definitely don’t have firm, round breasts so maybe they’re not the brand for me? How do they compare with other brands in terms of the width of the cups?
Mostly I’m interested because they have both maternity bras (which I hope means they have at least one soft cup bra?) and basques that look like they might be in my size (~65H in Ewa Michalak bras).
I think 65 EM are more snug than KrisLine, but all in all they are tight.
firm and round I meant like opposed to very teardrop shaped.
The maternity bras come in soft cup too, yes 🙂
http://www.krisline.com/product,products,184.html
But yes, I think you could try a 65, but maybe H and HH then 🙂
They have very deep cups and narrow wires and sometimes run a bit (1 cup) smaller in the cup.
here’s a comparison of a krisline brillant in 90HH to a panache tango in 40HH:
http://busenfreundinnen.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=22948&p=278367&hilit=krisline#p269401
But I really have to say I’m not a big cup expert.
you might wanna drop an e-mail at KrisLine or ask again at the BFs, but the experienxes with KrisLine are limited…
There’s a very good shop in Vienna, maybe the owner could answer your questions too, she knows the english brands and the KrisLine bras very good.
Thanks!!! I’m thrilled to hear that that’s a soft cup then, it’s definitely been added to my wish list. 😀
Was the rude representative from a large company? I was thinking it might be a good idea to send out a letter to corporate about her behaviour. I mean, even if you only choose to make certain sizes, you shouldn’t make comments like that.
No, it was pretty small. It seemed to be just one woman. I would definitely write a letter if it was a bigger brand (and would have listed the company’s name here), but in this case I don’t think it’s worth the effort.
What an unbeliavable amount of info on this post, great! This is such a delicacy for a lingerie-enthusiast like myself. 🙂
I think it’s important to write of those brands that take bloggers and social media seriously. I hope that the ignorant and arrogant attitude of some brands will end up biting them in the you-know-what. 😀
I love those innovations about the nude shades for different skin tones although I do think there’s more important things to do in the lingerie industry: giving the right fitting information and widening the size ranges. But it’s about baby steps, I guess..
I’m sorry I spammed your comments *blush*
I loved this article, it’s so much info in one posting. Great!
French Lingerie – beautiful. But their approach to bloggers is just horrible. I can’t count the e-mails I tried to contact them…
Love the idea of giving the different nude colours the names of trees, that’s so cute!
And the bras look nice, not boring but really nice decent bras to wear under e.g. a blouse.
xoxo denocte
I lOVE that green and blue Mimi Holiday, and could really use both those Le Mystere bras, which have unusual strap and back fashions which I never see above a D cup! Whoever thought large-busted ladies don’t wear racer backs is crazy.
Also, while posting on Playex’s facebook wall, I did notice women complaining they can’t find nude bras in their skin tone. I think it’s craz. After all, dark-skinned women wear just as many bras as light-skinned ones, why don’t they get their fair share of the market?
I have to say, I welcome new ranges of sizes in any style of bra, but I don’t get the maternity bra thing. Maternity bras are just bras – there is nothing special about them! Yes, they may be more likely to be more “soft” (more padding, fewer underwires, etc.) but there is nothing magical about them being called “maternity”. In fact, I feel like one of their biggest downsides is that they tend to only come in the larger band sizes and trick women into thinking that they need a bigger band size in pregnancy, when it’s usually the cups that do the most growing. What we REALLY need is more sizes of nursing bras! There are so few really good bras in I cup (and it’s so easy to get to a J or K or more when you start at F or G.)
Well a lot of the “maternity” brands I spoke with actually WERE nursing bras. For example, all the Kris ones had flaps you could open for breast-feeding. Undressed by Marlies Dekker also had what they called a maternity bra (and it had all those cute criss-crossing cleavage straps), but it had the flaps too. I’m not sure why some companies call all their pregnancy AND nursing bras “maternity” and why some differentiate between “maternity” and “nursing.” Though I found that if it wasn’t a nursing bra, “maternity” usually just meant no wire.
Um, yeah your breasts/cup size do the most growing, but band size usually goes up as well, unless you’re not wearing the right band to start with. In general, a woman’s rib cage can grow by 1 inch during pregnancy…your lung capacity increases in order to take in more oxygen, uterus expands upwards, weight gain etc. I had to buy different band sizes during my pregnancy, and I only gained 14 lbs total for my 7 lb baby.
And I vote for more sizes of nursing bras for sure! I started out FF/G UK size and yeah, not much out there in I-K, and it’s when you really need all your breast tissue to be contained and not cut into by the bra. I pretty much just gave up on going out in public for the first month until I could squeeze into an I cup.